I also explicitly mentioned that. T.J., it would be helpful if you could give us a link to the lathes you mentioned or post photos or drawings on your website. Regarding their tinning patent, it is strange. The comprehensive range of products proves that Gebr. Measuring the thickness of the bottom using a ruler placed transversely and another ruler inserted vertically confirmed a thickness of 3 mm. The craftsmen there work with a spinning lathe that is about 60 years old. The Company offers plates, table cloth, cooking dishes, coffee machines, kitchen consumables, air purifiers . Anyone who has written a doctoral thesis must defend it to a critical panel of scientists. Keep in mind that the JVK pans were made immediately after WWI. 2018-2019 Catalog [ARCHIVED CATALOG: Content may no longer be accurate.] Schwabenland even expressly emphasized that these imitations only came onto the market after the patent protection had expired. The first time I noticed these distinctive reinforcements was on a sauté pan from Paul Manzoni (Switzerland). So Schwabenland-stamped pans are similar to such French copper pans that are stamped Blaser, Mora & Cie and Chomette Favor in that they were merchants for the pans rather than Manufacturers? Outer diameter 16.8 – 17 cm And finally, put yourself in the shoes of certain chefs, you know, very wild and very aggressive chefs with kitchen accessories! In July 1901, just four years after the business was founded, the company moved to the new houses that thus became the actual headquarters of the company, especially since these were the first owned buildings. It should be obvious that a “honeycomb” structure is more stable than a flat one. The world's leading supplies and equipment distribution network for the hotel and catering trade.With over 6500 products in stock ,our offer is specially designed to meet all your requirements.Details Call 97143412705 To add to this, we have proof that this type of pot could be done with a turn compared to the LIEGE brand. Who can provide reliable information on lathes used to turn pans between about 1870 and 1930? A pinch of boldness that makes the moment memorable. I have encountered a lot of errors of this type in catalogs, directories and other documents. They can handle anything I throw at them, from cooking sausage and scallions to sautéing a bunch of veggies. But this is possible, I agree. Notre catalogue de biens : Faites estimer votre bien par l'agence. Weyersberg also use 3 mm copper sheets. Pewter turns dull gray, very hard, and almost impossible to melt. I saw whole factory halls of the 20th century filled with all kinds of machines. pan. Studying copper, for me, provides a sort of refracted view of the people who designed and made them. 12 shows one piece. But you are right, I did not think that in translation this could be confusing. Some features of WorldCat will not be available. FSC: The Forest Stewardship Council (FSC) is an . Perhaps the abbreviation stands for the name of the man (or the names of several men) who invented this design and the corresponding manufacturing process. The list, at least briefly shown pans on VFC is a little longer: Bourgeat and Vanneuss/Pommier pans are Belgians, Duparquet from the U.S., Fauser & Son were made in Austria and not to forget the Manzoni sauté pan from Switzerland. At the same time, the 1922 catalog proves that handicraft production of high-quality pans continued in parallel. Exports overseas are also mentioned. Inscription manuscrite au dos "Chomette Eglisolles". However, the idea seems interesting! Hi Phil! However, some of these pots have a copper thickness which can be 1mm … 0.8mm !!!! Together, we improve the Art of the Moment. We are DEGRENNE. I have always found this awful. These traces must make you think of awkward, imperfect, uncertain work and paradoxically, you will have found the best for cooking for many years. Accepted Forms of Payment . Schwabenland”. In the case of the patent I’m talking about, the pot is stamped and comes out with a small rim. Voir le profil de Alexandre DICK sur LinkedIn, le plus grand réseau professionnel mondial. I am not surprised that this and other patents I have found were granted on the initiative of the Zurich branch. So, if it was damaged one day, all you had to do was pull it out, still forcefully, and place another one. Below is a photo from the 1922 catalog showing a Gebr Schwabenland metal press. Here again my link to the copper manufactory Weyersberg. This diploma makes it possible to greatly increase orders. As the Schwabenland and Vogelsang & Kuhn pans prove, this skill was already available 100 years ago. The Collection of the Michèle Chomette Gallery will be presented at public auction at Hôtel Drouot on Friday, June 21, 2019 at 2pm. This is how I have already received pots from GAILLARD, new (latest generations), still wrapped and unfortunately some were covered with dots and spots of verdigris on the inside! Hamburg served as compensation for the loss of the Vienna branch. When I came across the patents, I guess I got a little euphoric. That is to say 3 types of manufacturing. What a surprise that you studied history and lived in Germany for a while! Spécialisé dans la vente des équipements de cuisine et de service des restaurants d'entreprise, de direction, scolaire et crèches, hôpitaux et maison de repos, sites de manifestations. Since this rondeau was found in the USA, it proves the worldwide distribution of Schwabenland pans, which is also documented in the previously unpublished large 1922 catalog. Some terms are used differently in French, English and German and for one or two French words I could not find an equivalent in any dictionary. 15 years later, the first hydraulic spinning machine with copy control and automatic program is brought onto the market. In the same way, a representation in Rome was created for Italy. With panache, humour and elegance we improve your way of life, because every second can be an opportunity for emotion. Alexandre a 4 postes sur son profil. It is referred to as a weak point and a possible break point in conventional pots (on the right in the diagram) that were joined with seams around the base in the French and Belgian style. Good thing there is translation software. The best known example might be Mauviel’s series, which include completely hand-hammered, spinning and mostly deep-drawn items. https://leifeldms.com/unternehmen/geschichte/. First of all, the Swiss are formidable businessmen, and secondly, as a neutral and wise little country, Switzerland was spared the wars. Do you believe that Vogelsang & Kuhn were the actual manufacturers or did they in turn source their pans from another maker? https://www.kochen-macht-spass.com/marken/kupfermanufaktur, https://www.fineobjects.de/kueche/topfe-und-pfannen/weyersberg-kupfermanufaktur-hochwertiges-kochgeschirr-aus-kupfer.html, https://francelorrainecollection.fr/SCHWABENLAND-COPPER-POTS/, https://francelorrainecollection.fr/Stamping-Lathe-Polishing-Copper-Pan-Pot/, https://www.arts-et-metiers.net/musee/tour-guillocher-par-mercklein, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=61vwMXmnzv4, https://www.circuitousroot.com/artifice/machine-shop/ornamental-turning/literature/collections/index.html, https://francelorrainecollection.fr/fr/Emboutissage-Tour-Polissage-Casserole-Cuivre/. New products were constantly being released. (Accidents). Above all, they ensured a professionally well-trained staff of representatives who were supported by targeted advertising. Apparently, a normal pot was first manufactured to which, in a further manufacturing process, a second layer was attached that encloses the pot in the lower area. You have to start all the work again. The only solutions are, a bottomless pot on which one comes to fix a fitting bottom by strong solder or a pot in one piece which will be worked by stamping in a first step and by stretching in a second step (patent 1860s). I wish you a good day ! I have come to believe that hammering on modern pans is only there because it is the easiest way to conceal surface imperfections. pans, where the BRISTOL shows the soldered reinforcement, but the other pan shows neither signs of spinning, nor a soldered reinforcement. There are 20+ professionals named "Patrice Favre", who use LinkedIn to exchange information, ideas, and opportunities. Title: Chomette 2021 Be Fr, Author: ECF, Length: 612 pages, Published: 2021-05-11 You have to imagine that if today Mauviel stamps a pot 20cm in diameter, it will come out of the machine with a height of, I imagine, 11 or 12cm. If I can acquire it, I will make it available to the VFC library (whole or in excerpts). copper pans can be found on page 43 of the 1927 catalog, at this point referring to the “extra-strong” quality of the aluminum pans. Amy, thank you so much for your kind feedback. Laminated copper as a starting material may be slightly more expensive, but the additional labor required for hammering and fire tinning by hand should actually compensate for the slightly lower material price. Sales increased several times over in the first year after the catalog was published. This gives incredible rigidity. Schwabenland was represented at this exhibition with its own booth for cooking supplies, achieved its first public success, and received an award for its offer. Chomette propose une large gamme d'équipements pour professionnels et CHR : vaisselle et ustensiles de cuisine professionnels, consommables pour le service ou l'hygiène, verre et couteaux d'office ou de salle. (Google Translator), Thank you Phil Devries and all those who have followed the path through the labyrinth with many wrong ways. This 30cm piece continues to be my MVPAS — most valuable plat a saute. Liked by Jeroen Galicia. https://www.kochen-macht-spass.com/marken/kupfermanufaktur It would be great if the article could be supplemented by insights from readers. I would like to point out in passing that the traces left on the copper pots after forming a pot on a lathe are intentionally left. The great way to cover up one type of crafting is to fool another! Schwabenland” and “Vogelsang & Kuhn,” both based in Southwest Germany near the border with France. Ecole FRANCAISE du XXe siècle Portrait présumé du "Dauphin d'Auvergne". I will now place the photos I have in my archives on my site. (junior) was transferred to the management together with the engineer Otto Volker-Schwabenland (son-in-law of the senior). My ideas on this are too vague. Like the French manufacturers, a distinction was made between different material qualities: extra heavy and normal, as well as pans for cooking and those for serving at the table. But as I promised to give you the place for this work (very well done by you and Arndt), I will continue on this path. Perhaps in the course of time we will be able to discover further descriptions of the manufacturing process at the beginning of the 20th century and illustrations of the corresponding machines, which will provide even more clarity. Of course, this always takes some time and cannot be continued indefinitely. We will eliminate the fact that LIEGE could work with SCHWABENLAND or imitate it. Chomette, au service des professionnels de l'hôtellerie, de la restauration, du tourisme et des. The photos of “I.V.K” are not mine but I had kept them for personal information. in the headquarters, as well as in Cologne and Zurich. As you can see on the letterhead of an invoice, “Gebr. 2021 NOVEMBER (Early) Online Sale - 05 Nov 2021 to 10 Nov 2021. And as I have already explained, you do not enter the business of copper pots with imitations without being almost immediately detected as a forger. pans. But, for this patent, the stamping did not correspond to what we can see today in YouTube videos when Mauviel and others stamp the pots in one go. And the most numerous bumps are always found in the angles of the bottom of the copper pots. Suddenly, the vision of this thick rim and the commercial arguments that we can make of it bring a very serious argument for the sale. There these distinctive pots are listed on the first pages of the extensive catalog under “J.V.K. This piece, overall, is amazing! Thierry Palermo; Isabelle Prouteau; Nadia Horen... See all recent Non-Fiction items added to WorldCat by this library ». There are also close cultural ties between your island and the northern French regions of Normandy and Brittany, as you know. Then later I remembered examples that had none of these telltale characteristics. Roger and the VFC Community, At the risk of being heretical in front of august copper scholars, would the early beginnings of Belgian Falk be of interest in the comparative study of copper cookware evolution? The reinforced base extended a few centimeters above the corner and was cold-welded to the sidewall. What was understood to be a suitable method in the 19th century need no longer be valid in the 20th century. But the patent you discovered is probably the better idea. Blum catalogue and technical manual 2020/2021. In the midst of a hopeful upswing, WW I led to the abandonment of the Genoa branch, which was confiscated in 1914 after seven years of existence. But few things are permanent. I thank you for your ideas and additions to the manufacturing process. – The second will spread roughly and quickly its 10grs of tin and will obtain a brighter tinning with clearly visible traces of wiping. “Today, after the protection period has expired, our design is copied across the board.”, In addition, there was the heavy patent tin-plating, which gave the copper pots a much greater durability. I think we must first consider that there were two different types of reinforcements for the Schwabenland pans. This way of doing things is very good. But perfect and quasi the final result were the pans that had both reinforcements but were made from a single piece. It was quite common not to be transparent about the origin of German products in Britain until EU regulations made it mandatory. Once again, the business premises had to be expanded and increased. This I later questioned again. Apparently, there are also pans without a Schwabenland stamp that show the characteristic reinforcements. With panache, humour and elegance we improve your way of life, because every second can be an opportunity for emotion. But we could not find out anything for sure about this. Let me explain, if, by bad luck or inattention, the pot is overheated during tinning, what is called the calcination of tin happens. Only after I was able to acquire the antiquarian catalog 1927 was there evidence of this assumption. New storage options had to be found. Insist on facts and evidence. Even if the war demanded the closure of two branches (Genoa and Vienna) with a corresponding loss, the management did not lose heart and looked for a balance through the establishment of new branches in Hamburg 1921 and 1922 Amsterdam. Indeed, it is the weight of the copper pots that poses the most problems. Comme chaque année, GILAC participe à à la convention annuelle de son distributeur CHOMETTE demain. Roger, I doubt it. The designation “project” really hits the spot! This under normal working conditions. The world’s first hand spinning machine was developed by Leifeld in 1930. Thus, for a roughly current state of my research, it is necessary to see the entire “package” – the post, the supplementary comments (including those from readers), and the publications in the VFC library – in context. Thank you! However, this is rarely necessary if the copper has become sluggish due to the spinning. In 1907 Mr. Baumann 18 boulevard de Magenta represented Schwabenland for a 15-year patent for a kitchen pots with internal and external reinforcement. I also find the presentation of pans of different countries interesting. Huile sur toile. “However, Arndt and I found copper pans that resembled the distinctive heavy pans from “Gebr. Thanks also for your thoughts on Schwabenland´s “patent tinning”. Presumably an indication that the goods were also sold in French-speaking countries. But, dear friends, do not be seduced by the quick explanations. You can see the size of the gap from the top view. – The first wants to obtain a perfectly smooth and regular tinning. I find the term “Gelenk” (literally: hinge, nowadays it would be called a bend or corner) interesting for the transition from the side wall to the floor. In order to relieve the head office, branch offices were established. 2021-2022 Cal State East Bay Catalog Welcome Current and Prospective Students This catalog includes courses and policies approved and information provided on or before July 1, 2021. ERRATUM: Now I got all mixed up (stupid aging!). Especially since the patent states that this ring can be replaced quickly in case of wear. NKC: Thank you. And even if my question seems absurd, it has a specific reason. Martin, in reality there is no point in reinventing a new tinning process. I acquired a ‘vintage’ set of Falk pieces that I use every day, with occasional use of my tinned copper pans. Regarding the house Vogelsang & Kuhn, my opinion for the moment would rather be that it distributed Schwabenland products and not the other way around. It is apparent that once the pan bodies were deep drawn, these reinforcements were hard soldered to the top of the rim and the bottom. The first agency was set up in Berlin as early as 1901, from which the Berlin branch emerged in 1902 under the direction of Karl Schwabenland and Ernst Euler. We are DEGRENNE. Report this post. Site web Consultez nos tarifs. Sorry for the misunderstanding of the word false and imitation which here in France is very often used either one or the other to designate the same thing. Yes Martin, I have seen some amazing wear on some pans, some of which were essentially irréparable. I believe it is useful to distribute them for your research work because it is unthinkable not to unravel the mystery “J.V.K” and “I.V.K.”. 20 years Catalogue of Life. I have a large Matter Windsor and in places the hammer blows don’t quite meet and you can see tooling marks in the gaps. REGIE CHOMETTE. The 1922 catalog also offers pans that were HAMMERED BY HAND from copper sheets. DEGRENNE, the specialist in the Art of Tableware. The French platform Leboncoin.fr currently offers a set of pans excellently restored by FALK. will automatically start. As long as the pot is hot, any attempt to achieve a good tinning with this calcined pewter is useless. That is totally exciting. Search 3 La Chomette, Haute-Loire, France replacement window contractors to find the best replacement window contractor for your project. An update of the post with the photo of the press will follow. Addendum: The BRISTOL pan clearly shows a soldered reinforcement on the bottom. However, there must have been a separate patent for this, because the 1906 patent refers to a completely different, much simpler product, an accessory, and not to the manufacture of a whole pan. The section describes not only the operation of a hydraulic press (how much was the pressure? Regards, T.J. 2019-2020 Catalog [ARCHIVED CATALOG: Content may no longer be accurate.] While I have no practical experience with tinning, it was immediately obvious to me that a wet rag conducts heat far more than a dry one. This graphic from the 1922 catalog (provided by Arndt) of the cross-section of the pans should be self-explanatory. For you : https://francelorrainecollection.fr/Stamping-Lathe-Polishing-Copper-Pan-Pot/ Who invented the striking design with the reinforcements, who were the imitators? A pinch of boldness that makes the moment memorable. Regarding “the German company Leifeld did not launch the world’s first hand-spinning machine for metal forming until 1930.”. It could be removed or replaced just as easily. Very interesting ! On the internet, like Pinterest or just Google, you can find hundreds of lathes and other old machine tools. 1 hour! The expansion of the customer base to include institutions and monasteries is seen as a particular merit of this branch. Although I’ve always been interested in history, it’s only in the last few years that I’ve become more involved with it again. I find it difficult to imagine that such a somewhat puny ring would be specially soldered on. No change in shape, therefore the lid always fits! Manufacturers, retail stores, restaurateurs. If a ring (or rather a complete bottom) had been brought in the same way by interlocking on the bottom of the pot (in a way a double bottom), it would also have had no chance of functioning correctly.
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